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Feb 16 '10

lonelysandwich:

“Bill and Ted Bend Time and Space to their Will”

Okay, granted, I’m no physicist. I get that the phone booth portal transported the dudes through neon purple time tubes, and that they could bring artifacts and people along with them. Same theory as “Back to the Future”.

But I could never wrap my puny mind around this part of the movie. So all they had to do to change the present was to intend to do something in the future? If that’s all it took, I’d be rich and ripped and probably even a little taller.

Someone please explain to me why this is good science.

Bill and Ted exploit their use of a time machine in order to make their decisions affect the past instead of the future. Just their intent isn’t what actually places the keys there, it’s the fact that in the future the duo went back to the past, stole the keys, and placed them in the bushes earlier so that their present selves could use them at the right time.

Since we commonly imagine the future to be uncertain, there’s the question of ‘what if they didn’t get the keys, like maybe they failed the report, a medieval knight killed them, or something else just generally stopped them from following through on their key-stealing future promise?’ But by the Novikov self-consistency principle (it’s a real thing, look it up), it is simply impossible for them to not go back and get the keys. They must do it, since it’s already occurred and no paradoxes can be created.

A greater implication of this scene is not examined in the movie, and had to be ignored in the next. There can never be a history where Bill and Ted do not steal the keys and fail to pass the test, since they do get the keys and Rufus comes from a future where they must have succeeded. By the Novikov principle, it’s the only future that could exist given the very first scene of the future; the whole story of Bill and Ted’s Bogus Journey is made pointless, since De Nomolos never could have changed anything.

An even greater meaning to this scene is left out. By constructing events in the future that they now are relying upon in the present, they’ve made their present into a past of the future of two days later. The present decisions of Bill and Ted become locked by those keys from the future. Just as there was never a history where there was not keys behind the sign, there’s no history where Bill and Ted decided to look somewhere besides the sign, and their actions had been set since the start of the movie due to the basic laws of time travel. Bill and Ted never bent space and time to their will. Space and time bent Bill and Ted’s will.

I tried to post this as an ‘answer’ but the box didn’t hold it for some strange reason.

75 notes (via lonelysandwich)

  1. agatha-holmes reblogged this from smasuch
  2. jamesnvc answered: Time travel allows the establishment of a causal loop in space time which allows future events to influence the past and disprove relativity
  3. weskimcom answered: It all started when Jacob paid a visit to young Ted Logan when he was feeling low after his parents’ divorce…
  4. teradome answered: “So all they had to do to change the present was to intend to do something in the future?” WELL, THAT AND A TIME MACHINE
  5. raziel answered: Oh, c’mon- that’s easy: things are more moderner than before… bigger, & yet smaller… it’s computers… San Dimas High School football rules!
  6. whltexbread answered: I like this.
  7. fliesopen answered: You are missing a time machine in this recipe. If I have one, I’ll come back tomorrow and put details of why it works exactly.
  8. boomblog answered: Made sense when I was younger. Primer on the other hand…
  9. regularkarate answered: This goes along with “Fate-based” time-travel theory. What happens always happens. You’re not changing history, you’re participating.
  10. 2fatdads answered: Well you still need a time and sapce machine, but if you materialise your intention than it’s all plausible. Despite the time paradoxes.
  11. sacremoo answered: Makes perfect sense. After the big school presentation they clearly have a lot of work to do making it happen. “Remember the trash can.”
  12. bug-ugly answered: Well, the difference here is they had the means to act on the intention. What you are lacking, good sir, is a time machine.
  13. snabby answered: Don’t know, but a little-known fact: with the time travel, Reeves tragically lost the ability to make facial expressions.
  14. lucas said: Altering the response timeline to say “yeah, what smasuch said.” I totally meant to say something about Novikov, but the timeline was more consistent with me looking for an excuse to post a Hitchhiker’s clip rather than Wikipediaing for Science.
  15. smasuch answered: i tried to answer, but the answer was too long to fit here. so it’s on my tumblr instead.
  16. smasuch reblogged this from lonelysandwich and added:
    exploit their use of a time machine in order...decisions affect the past instead of the...
  17. phylhrmnix answered: When movies get their oafish hands on the Christmas Story BB Gun that is Time Travel, FLYING WEST REALLY REALLY FAST = your broken glasses.
  18. scott-jackson answered: 140 characters is not enough. My answer is here: dl.dropbox.com/u/11259…
  19. hurtling answered: I had a perfectly legit answer, but then Bailey made me snort and I can’t remember what it was.
  20. em answered: You don’t have a time traveling phonebooth. Call me when you get one. Just tell yourself to figure out my number later.
  21. spiegelman answered: Not intend, but do. Their ability to actualize choice reflects the tremendous willpower that turns them into world leaders in the future.
  22. daragh answered: Future Ted travels back in time 2 days prior to this and steals his dad’s keys and hides them behind the sign for his earlier self to find.
  23. lucas answered: Here’s my insane long-winded answer: underthe.fuzzygreenhat….
  24. luckyshirt answered: HAHAHA THIS IS POINT BREAK STUPID
  25. dancatchpole answered: youtube.com/watch?v…
  26. biorhythmist answered: whoa
  27. hellnope answered: dude, just chill and like enjoy the ride. it’s way existential.
  28. jayrobinson answered: No, but it nicely wraps up story-lines when you’ve run out of *time*.
  29. openareas answered: Who needs scientific explanations for rocking out with Socrates?